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	<title>Comments on: Insult to online category at Campaign Middle East Media and Planning Awards?</title>
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		<title>by: Dinesh Lalvani</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcorp.com/en/read/blog/net-stuff/insult-to-online-category-at-campaign-middle-east-media-and-planning-awards.html#comment-3844</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well at least this forum allows views to be aired, unlike the Campaign site, which I posted four entries on last week, last comments seem to be from Nov 26th. TUT TUT.

Amazing isn't it that an event such as the GMR Marketing Forum last week is not on the Campaign calendar either, but there you go COMPLAIN again!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least this forum allows views to be aired, unlike the Campaign site, which I posted four entries on last week, last comments seem to be from Nov 26th. TUT TUT.</p>
<p>Amazing isn&#8217;t it that an event such as the GMR Marketing Forum last week is not on the Campaign calendar either, but there you go COMPLAIN again!!!
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		<title>by: Martin Diessner</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcorp.com/en/read/blog/net-stuff/insult-to-online-category-at-campaign-middle-east-media-and-planning-awards.html#comment-3834</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We don't boycott, but decided not to enter any local awards anymore as we feel that they don't provide enough transparency, creditability and also competitiveness on international level for our industry in the Middle East.

Flip will be participating in international awards, and once the IAB is launched in the Middle East and online gets a body that understands digital is all about, then we will come back and hopefully support online awards for and by online people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t boycott, but decided not to enter any local awards anymore as we feel that they don&#8217;t provide enough transparency, creditability and also competitiveness on international level for our industry in the Middle East.</p>
<p>Flip will be participating in international awards, and once the IAB is launched in the Middle East and online gets a body that understands digital is all about, then we will come back and hopefully support online awards for and by online people.
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		<title>by: Uae Web Awards</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcorp.com/en/read/blog/net-stuff/insult-to-online-category-at-campaign-middle-east-media-and-planning-awards.html#comment-3827</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why no entires at the UAE Web Awards, We were looking forward for you guys. Have you guys decided to boycott all local awards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why no entires at the UAE Web Awards, We were looking forward for you guys. Have you guys decided to boycott all local awards?
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		<title>by: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcorp.com/en/read/blog/net-stuff/insult-to-online-category-at-campaign-middle-east-media-and-planning-awards.html#comment-3748</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Online is not the only media format that is totally misunderstood, it is sad that new innovative ways of communicating to specific audiences are totally ignored, yet still companies will allow  their agencies to spend ridiculous amounts of money in totally cluttered environments.

Let's face it things are not going to change overnight, but let's dare buyers to stop advertising in un-audited print media, let them prove the audience they are reaching with mass media formats, and justify effectiveness of the media used, rather than sticking a finger in the air and thinking they can gauge it by the figures they are given by the media owners.

Having worked for one of the regional publishers, circulation figures are a joke, yet agencies will still continue to book into these media. The whole industry needs to take a long hard look at itself, other media is coming guys, and like the rest of the world print and outdoor will take a big hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Online is not the only media format that is totally misunderstood, it is sad that new innovative ways of communicating to specific audiences are totally ignored, yet still companies will allow  their agencies to spend ridiculous amounts of money in totally cluttered environments.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it things are not going to change overnight, but let&#8217;s dare buyers to stop advertising in un-audited print media, let them prove the audience they are reaching with mass media formats, and justify effectiveness of the media used, rather than sticking a finger in the air and thinking they can gauge it by the figures they are given by the media owners.</p>
<p>Having worked for one of the regional publishers, circulation figures are a joke, yet agencies will still continue to book into these media. The whole industry needs to take a long hard look at itself, other media is coming guys, and like the rest of the world print and outdoor will take a big hit.
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		<title>by: Rayan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mohamad, I totaly agree on everything you said. Same thing for what Rasha is saying... I feel the exact same way about Online getting its fair share not only at the awards but fair share of media expenditure as well..  Believe me it makes no difference who won..

We are in this together. Or at least most of us..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohamad, I totaly agree on everything you said. Same thing for what Rasha is saying&#8230; I feel the exact same way about Online getting its fair share not only at the awards but fair share of media expenditure as well..  Believe me it makes no difference who won..</p>
<p>We are in this together. Or at least most of us..
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		<title>by: Rasha</title>
		<link>http://www.flipcorp.com/en/read/blog/net-stuff/insult-to-online-category-at-campaign-middle-east-media-and-planning-awards.html#comment-3732</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi DubaiI

I can answer that question for you. I have worked in an offline agency for 4 years and prior to that on the Clients side and I can tell you this:

Sure Online is another medium, but the measurements are 100% different. For a print ad to become a Cannes Finalist it needs to move people's emotions and feelings about the brand and just be a brilliant piece of work. In online however it's about the END CONSUMER first and then everything else. 

I was part of a team that created award winning TVCS and Print ads which made clean sweeps at IAA awards over the past years. They were fantastic. But could I tell my Client how many people saw their TVCs, how many responded etc? My previous Agency was extremely ethical but matter of fact is, that some agencies go to their Client (or dont) asking for their TVC or print ad to run at least once so they can enter it into awards.....

Online...however can delivers specific results to Clients, go down to deeper consumer physographics and turn around my client businesses.

This is not an argument nor is one better than they other, but they are different in terms of measurments. Both mediums demand respect very, one cannot survive without the other BUT this is why you require special judging. It's not based on creativity but on end results first and foremost - and as per my last comment(read above)- Creativity is at many many levels.

This is why special judges who understand this are required. 

And by the way, Cannes Advertising Awards have realized this and thus have established the Cannes Cyber Lions in 1998 with Juries completely immersed in the understanding of Online, as well as Cannes Direct, Cannes Integrated, Cannes Radio, Cannes Print...etc, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi DubaiI</p>
<p>I can answer that question for you. I have worked in an offline agency for 4 years and prior to that on the Clients side and I can tell you this:</p>
<p>Sure Online is another medium, but the measurements are 100% different. For a print ad to become a Cannes Finalist it needs to move people&#8217;s emotions and feelings about the brand and just be a brilliant piece of work. In online however it&#8217;s about the END CONSUMER first and then everything else. </p>
<p>I was part of a team that created award winning TVCS and Print ads which made clean sweeps at IAA awards over the past years. They were fantastic. But could I tell my Client how many people saw their TVCs, how many responded etc? My previous Agency was extremely ethical but matter of fact is, that some agencies go to their Client (or dont) asking for their TVC or print ad to run at least once so they can enter it into awards&#8230;..</p>
<p>Online&#8230;however can delivers specific results to Clients, go down to deeper consumer physographics and turn around my client businesses.</p>
<p>This is not an argument nor is one better than they other, but they are different in terms of measurments. Both mediums demand respect very, one cannot survive without the other BUT this is why you require special judging. It&#8217;s not based on creativity but on end results first and foremost - and as per my last comment(read above)- Creativity is at many many levels.</p>
<p>This is why special judges who understand this are required. </p>
<p>And by the way, Cannes Advertising Awards have realized this and thus have established the Cannes Cyber Lions in 1998 with Juries completely immersed in the understanding of Online, as well as Cannes Direct, Cannes Integrated, Cannes Radio, Cannes Print&#8230;etc, etc.
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		<title>by: Mohammad Itani</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Rayan for the explanation, i am sure there are a lot to learn from Starcom. 
However, you agree with me, that it is the challenging brief which makes you come with ideas, creative, web placements, etc...
If a brief is to target 3 continents, than you agree with me it is not as simple as targeting UAE or even GCC (starting from creative, and ending by reporting and ROI).

We should all meet on an understanding that online did not yet get it's share in the market. Any award won at this stage is won for the online industry as a whole and not for a particular brand/agency. We should all work together into educating the market on the benefits of online and i am sure we will get their very soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rayan for the explanation, i am sure there are a lot to learn from Starcom.<br />
However, you agree with me, that it is the challenging brief which makes you come with ideas, creative, web placements, etc&#8230;<br />
If a brief is to target 3 continents, than you agree with me it is not as simple as targeting UAE or even GCC (starting from creative, and ending by reporting and ROI).</p>
<p>We should all meet on an understanding that online did not yet get it&#8217;s share in the market. Any award won at this stage is won for the online industry as a whole and not for a particular brand/agency. We should all work together into educating the market on the benefits of online and i am sure we will get their very soon
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		<title>by: DubaiI</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I remember going to the first Middel East web awards in the Marooj Hotel earlier this year and watching quality web sites win quality awards.

It was a fantastic night and everyone was deligghted with the winners.

I suggest that we all support those awadrs next year...

Get real people - it cannnot be a case of awards for award's sake.

Listen to Joe Ghossoub's commments at the IAA World Conference this year. Online is nowhere at the moment in the Middle East in terms of spend, startegy nor creativity.

I cann understand people being upset at not winning - but I think that the whole market has to take a long hard look at themselves.

Special judges for radio, spearate judges for outdoor, and yet another for print?

What is so special about Online, Mr Sheridan, that requires special judges? Online is yet another medium. 

Rather than Online moaning that they are treated badly alol of the time, perhaps they should strat doing something positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember going to the first Middel East web awards in the Marooj Hotel earlier this year and watching quality web sites win quality awards.</p>
<p>It was a fantastic night and everyone was deligghted with the winners.</p>
<p>I suggest that we all support those awadrs next year&#8230;</p>
<p>Get real people - it cannnot be a case of awards for award&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>Listen to Joe Ghossoub&#8217;s commments at the IAA World Conference this year. Online is nowhere at the moment in the Middle East in terms of spend, startegy nor creativity.</p>
<p>I cann understand people being upset at not winning - but I think that the whole market has to take a long hard look at themselves.</p>
<p>Special judges for radio, spearate judges for outdoor, and yet another for print?</p>
<p>What is so special about Online, Mr Sheridan, that requires special judges? Online is yet another medium. </p>
<p>Rather than Online moaning that they are treated badly alol of the time, perhaps they should strat doing something positive.
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		<title>by: Rayan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sajid, I am glad you finally decided to come to us about this...
I ll be more than happy to share with you details wherever possible, but there is one thing I want to bring to your attention, there is no such thing as a strategic plan for a medium;... or at least this is what I think. There is a strategic solution to every brand/brief and then there are tactics to take this strategic solution to every consumer touch point and bring it to life... Obviously based on deep consumer understanding.. I'll say that again deep consumer understanding and not technical knowledge!
That is why I was saying that I am against awards by medium, a full integrated plan is what makes an entry strongÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

Surround sound is another factor, when you have strong executions across every medium that deliver on the brand attributes and positioning you already establish a link with the consumer (or the judges in this case). Once that link is established they will be attentive to anything you throw at them, better yet they would be waiting for it! Looking at it from a standalone online perspective is just too narrow in this case...
Finally packaging (after all this is what we do we come up with solutions and package them)...

On a separate note, consumers don't see campaigns that are spanning 15 portals or multiple geographies, they don't even see a strategy; the complexity of a solution does not define its success.. it's actually the simplicity of it that does.. Whether we achieve our objectives through a &quot;Strategic plan&quot; as you label it or an award winning simple execution, what matters is that it clicked with consumers.. and obviously with the judges.

If you want to discuss this further, Rasha has my number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sajid, I am glad you finally decided to come to us about this&#8230;<br />
I ll be more than happy to share with you details wherever possible, but there is one thing I want to bring to your attention, there is no such thing as a strategic plan for a medium;&#8230; or at least this is what I think. There is a strategic solution to every brand/brief and then there are tactics to take this strategic solution to every consumer touch point and bring it to life&#8230; Obviously based on deep consumer understanding.. I&#8217;ll say that again deep consumer understanding and not technical knowledge!<br />
That is why I was saying that I am against awards by medium, a full integrated plan is what makes an entry strongÃ¢â‚¬Â¦</p>
<p>Surround sound is another factor, when you have strong executions across every medium that deliver on the brand attributes and positioning you already establish a link with the consumer (or the judges in this case). Once that link is established they will be attentive to anything you throw at them, better yet they would be waiting for it! Looking at it from a standalone online perspective is just too narrow in this case&#8230;<br />
Finally packaging (after all this is what we do we come up with solutions and package them)&#8230;</p>
<p>On a separate note, consumers don&#8217;t see campaigns that are spanning 15 portals or multiple geographies, they don&#8217;t even see a strategy; the complexity of a solution does not define its success.. it&#8217;s actually the simplicity of it that does.. Whether we achieve our objectives through a &#8220;Strategic plan&#8221; as you label it or an award winning simple execution, what matters is that it clicked with consumers.. and obviously with the judges.</p>
<p>If you want to discuss this further, Rasha has my number.
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